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« on: January 21, 2010, 07:38:44 AM »

Here's a thought: Just looking at a Hubble image of Galaxy Cluster Abell. God knows how long that exposure took.

Anyway - I have my doubts that what we are looking at is actually what they make it out to be.

We have the effect of speed on light, right? Redshift, etc. Now the pointyheads are saying gravity interacts with light, optically bending it, showing us images further away by acting as a lens.

Now I say, what if the combined effect of matter in space, in reasonably densities as those encountered when we try to look "through" the Abell Cluster, have the same effect as the densities present in matter at a different SCALE such as glass or gas etc?

Get my drift? The relative effect of matter - molecules, or in the larger scale scenario, galaxies/stars/interstellar dust - may bend light in a not too dissimilar way. What I do not see in these pictures is the relative bending of different wavelengths. Where's the Dark Side Of The Moon cover? where's the Halo effect?

What I see is a distortion of the image, but the explanation is too "just what we wanted to see". They want to tell me that these gravitational lensing effects are extremely localised effects. The density of the Abell group is one of a handfull spaces with a high enough gravitation to affect light?

I am not convinced.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 11:21:14 AM »

got a link handy to the lensing pics??

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 12:03:16 PM »

I was sleeping on this

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1996/10
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 11:19:44 AM »

How about this - The blue stuff is part of a nebula in front of the galaxy cluster.

Which would explain why there are blue pieces in front of the cluster itself - and not just around the "lensing perimeter". Well, that is what I see in the photo.

Also I do not buy into the effect of a distant galaxy - lensed or not - which would be blue and not more redshifted than those galaxies doing the lensing.

I would also expect to see a hell of a lot more "lensed" objects in every deep-field photo, if that is indeed what we see here. Granted, I would not expect it so neat as the group of galaxies look closely lined up - although probably quite distant from each other in relation to us linearly, otherwise they would be distorted as their interacting gravity would influence each other.

I mean, if the sun and moon's gravity can bend light...
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 12:06:25 PM »

Lensing is a bit more than mere bending -- much more has to be in place.

But it wouldn't surprise me if real errors are being made. Not at all. Just haven't had the time or inclination to look into it. And my capacity to do so if I wanted is rapidly diminishing with time.

These fields are as corrupt and ambition driven as anything else.

I'm a neophyte at chemistry, but I think of what I did learn about reactions, elemental geophysical and atmospheric abundance. Then I imagine all the stuff I saw in the advanced books, which looks like simply much more of what I learned in HS and college. Then I imagine the trillions of molecules or more in a gas or sea or room or whatever. What can they really know about the detailed chemistry of such environments? Probably more than I can imagine, but not enough. Not enough to grasp all sorts of "emergent phenomena" I would guess. Most of the chemistry, and physics and biology for that matter is based on experiments utilizing highly rarefied and controlled situations -- as simple as possible.

They've no idea about the coiling and uncoiling of proteins within the cell environment. Which is essential -- they may have found the sequenced formula for these proteins. But the facets they reveal and conceal through this twisting and winding are all about which of these putative instructions are available for 'expression.' One of many examples.

One day they might give up on trying to figure out unsolvable problems like that when some old granny from Georgia explains to them that fresh air, dancing, singing, sleeping it off with a good diet, and generally having a good time within a natural environment of trees streams and beautiful sights will keep those protein coils alternately wound and unwound in the optimum way.

When they realize such behavior might also effect sunspots, the solar wind and neutrino flux, they'll really be onto something!

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 09:45:51 AM »

Your wisdom shines through, old friend. The maxim of the world should be: "Que Sera, Sera".

Yeah, as in the song.
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